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Windows 11 is complete garbage

Mike and Dave, I totally agree with you. They push us to upgrade Windows everytime, why? We don't need those upgrades, it's only for the money for those companies. The same with smartphones, we must use them but we don't like them. And nobody gives you the right information how to do this and that.
I'm still happily using my iPhone 12 mini. I used my old iPhone 6 up until November 2020 too, well beyond it's "retirement date". With that said, I am unusual in that I am not dependent on my mobile/cell phone like most modern people. I get home, I put it down in its resting spot and pretty much never touch it again at home. I don't bury my head in the phone and I don't walk around oblivious to everything cos the phone has 200% of my concentration. It's a tool, nothing more and nothing less.
 
I'm still happily using my iPhone 12 mini. I used my old iPhone 6 up until November 2020 too, well beyond it's "retirement date". With that said, I am unusual in that I am not dependent on my mobile/cell phone like most modern people. I get home, I put it down in its resting spot and pretty much never touch it again at home. I don't bury my head in the phone and I don't walk around oblivious to everything cos the phone has 200% of my concentration. It's a tool, nothing more and nothing less.
The same here, I use it for a phonecall, Sms and hardly anything else. At home it's on a little table central in the house. In my opinion it's not safe to use it for everything including finances. What if it is stolen or lost? And where is our privacy, Big Tech knows everything about us. I wish more people would think about that.
 
The same here, I use it for a phonecall, Sms and hardly anything else. At home it's on a little table central in the house. In my opinion it's not safe to use it for everything including finances. What if it is stolen or lost? And where is our privacy, Big Tech knows everything about us. I wish more people would think about that.
Exactly. And then there's the EM waves. Strong evidence of ties to cancer from phones but our governments ignore it cos it's big $$$$$ and big tech companies bribe them.
 
pretty easy:

apt-get install lm-sensors

done. Try that on Microslop products.

Oh and if I wanna uninstall?

apt-get remove --purge lm-sensors.

Done, fully uninstalled, nothing left. Unlike Microsoft where there's dll files, ini files, folders and the registry left...

You missed my point. It was not that lm-sensors is hard to install. It's that you have to know to install it, and you have to know how.

Linux has made great strides in becoming more newbie-friendly, but it still requires you to learn a good bit to be comfortable. All OSs do, and Linux isn't yet the easiest. E.g., some distros have tried to simplify the program installation process, e.g., by using Snap or Flatpack. Again, not so hard, but something to learn. In contrast, virtually all of the Windows software I get arrives as a self-installing executable. Just click on it and you're done. Ditto ICCs, which are essential for anyone who prints. In Windows, you right click on the ICC file and choose "install profile". Done.

You are obviously very familiar with Linux, so it seems obvious and easy to you. That's what familiarity does. But as someone who had to learn enough Linux to be bi-OS and who had to get a bunch of team members through it, I still remember the learning curve.

None of this is to say that Microsoft loading windows with garbage isn't annoying. It is. But for most people, the best OS is the one they know best. And IMHO, for serious photographers, there are really only two choices. Yes, one can get by with open source stuff under Linux, but that's a real sacrifice relative to the power of PC and Mac applications, and not everything can be replicated.
 
Is Microsoft annoying with their (at least of late) design choices of their ecosystem? Yes. Is the occasional BSD annoying? Yes.

But the reality is that I have worked with Windows for more than 30 years. And 99.99% of the time, it works just fine. That's what most people experience imo.

I don't want to deal with Apple's closed ecosystem. I am Unix guy from grad school and I enjoy using Linux but the reality is that for photography (which is primarily what I use my computer for), the tools are simply not competitive for my use case.

Maybe it is the 99.99% who just get along with the annoyances of Windows that keeps them complacent and where they are, but them's the breaks. It is good enough for most people and that's that.
 
Is Microsoft annoying with their (at least of late) design choices of their ecosystem? Yes. Is the occasional BSD annoying? Yes.

But the reality is that I have worked with Windows for more than 30 years. And 99.99% of the time, it works just fine. That's what most people experience imo.

I don't want to deal with Apple's closed ecosystem. I am Unix guy from grad school and I enjoy using Linux but the reality is that for photography (which is primarily what I use my computer for), the tools are simply not competitive for my use case.

Maybe it is the 99.99% who just get along with the annoyances of Windows that keeps them complacent and where they are, but them's the breaks. It is good enough for most people and that's that.

The constant gaslighting from big tech is what gets really old. They do stuff that is blatantly self-serving and anti-consumer and try to tell us how they did it for us, the valued customer. Microsoft is getting more and more like Apple in all of the worst ways. Thankfully there's an army of enthusiasts who find and publish workarounds to Microsoft's BS most of the time.
 
You missed my point. It was not that lm-sensors is hard to install. It's that you have to know to install it, and you have to know how.
A quick online search is all it takes. For example:


and lm-sensors is the first mentioned application, and with a link to a install howto, albeit for Ubuntu.

but it still requires you to learn a good bit to be comfortable
True.
But as someone who had to learn enough Linux to be bi-OS and who had to get a bunch of team members through it, I still remember the learning curve.
I still remember the learning curve. I haven't really used Linux since mid 2007, so I'm going to be going back to it having to learn systemd and weyland, both of which are very different from a sys V init and x.org. I've done enough research to know that systemd is shady in Microsoft style but every distro bar a few are pushing it and forcing it on users.
And IMHO, for serious photographers, there are really only two choices. Yes, one can get by with open source stuff under Linux, but that's a real sacrifice relative to the power of PC and Mac applications, and not everything can be replicated.
Wholly agreed. I intend to dual boot Linux (Debian) and Windows so I can boot into the Windows install to play games and do all of my photography editing etc. The open source stuff is fine in these specialist genres for basic stuff, but yes, it is lacking vs the paid applications. Not gonna lie there. But, that isn't Linux' fault. That's on the plate of these big tech companies. A bit of government mandating that they must port to Linux for or face massive anti-competition and monopoly fines that would bankrupt them would be a very, very good thing.
I don't want to deal with Apple's closed ecosystem. I am Unix guy from grad school and I enjoy using Linux but the reality is that for photography (which is primarily what I use my computer for), the tools are simply not competitive for my use case.
Apple is nowhere near as bad as Microsoft. Not even close. Google yes. Apple, no. Sure, Apple does things that infuriate me, don't get me wrong, but not on the same level as Microsoft and/or Google.
The constant gaslighting from big tech is what gets really old. They do stuff that is blatantly self-serving and anti-consumer and try to tell us how they did it for us, the valued customer.
100000%
Microsoft is getting more and more like Apple in all of the worst ways.
Has long since been much, much worse than Apple imho. Let's look at Microsoft Edge. In Windows 11, if I replace Edge with say, Chrome, I have to not only set Chrome as my default browser when launching Chrome, but now go into Windows settings and change like a dozen things from Edge to Chrome, instead of a 1 click solution. A deliberate ploy to discourage people from switching to another browser. And yet no government has punished Microsoft for this, not even the EU.
Thankfully there's an army of enthusiasts who find and publish workarounds to Microsoft's BS most of the time.
And Microsoft removes those workarounds. Witness Microsoft removing using a local account during the Windows 11 installation process. Every workaround has been removed. Should be bloody illegal.

As to Google, Chrome is shameful. 5 tabs open, 2GB of RAM used...must be all the spyware bundled with it that's forced upon users without our consent.
 
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As to Google, Chrome is shameful. 5 tabs open, 2GB of RAM used...must be all the spyware bundled with it that's forced upon users without our consent.

This is a photography forum, and I think this thread has gotten far away from that. However, since browsers are a big part of photography now--it's how we view most of the images we share--I thought I would toss in a response. Unlike changing to another operating system, changing to another browser is trivially easy. Some browsers even let you import bookmarks from others. I can't see any reason at all to use Chrome as a default browser. The security problems rule that out for me. There are lots of alternatives, including many that are Chromium based, so they can use Chrome extensions. My default is Vivaldi, written by one of the original developers of Opera. It's fast, amazingly flexible and customizable, provides good security options, and isn't a resource hog. With 13 tabs open, it's using about 450 MB, And it's color managed. Occasionally a site won't work well with a given browser, so I generally use Firefox as a backup on those rare occasions. I keep Chrome on my computer for the very rare instances when it's useful. In particular, I leave it in its plain vanilla state, so if I really want to visit a site that objects to the controls I have on both Vivaldi and Firefox, I'll use Chrome. Probably happens once or twice a month.

but now go into Windows settings and change like a dozen things from Edge to Chrome, instead of a 1 click solution.

Yes, it should be a one-click solution, and it's not. However, it took me only a couple of steps to get rid of almost all instances where Edge is called up.
 
A bit of government mandating that they must port to Linux for or face massive anti-competition and monopoly fines that would bankrupt them would be a very, very good thing.
I understand what you are saying, and why you are saying it. But I suspect they would screw up Linux for their own purposes too.
 
This is a photography forum, and I think this thread has gotten far away from that
It's a sub-forum dedicated to "computers".
My default is Vivaldi
I'll check it out. Other browsers are out of contention for me due to ties to Israel and/or paying Google to censor pro-Palestinian information.
I understand what you are saying, and why you are saying it. But I suspect they would screw up Linux for their own purposes too.
Nah. Imagine if Adobe Lightroom Classic and Photoshop and Microsoft Office ran natively on GNU/Linux. There'd be a DROVE of users exiting Microsoft.
 
Nah. Imagine if Adobe Lightroom Classic and Photoshop and Microsoft Office ran natively on GNU/Linux. There'd be a DROVE of users exiting Microsoft.

At work we have a few folks exiting Microsoft - only main app they have trouble with is Visio
 
At work we have a few folks exiting Microsoft - only main app they have trouble with is Visio
Office and Copilot are a nightmare for transparency and data mining. An interesting PDF (it's in English):


Like in my original post, I had an utterly horrible time of things installing Windows this time around (it's never a nice install, but this was particularly horrible).
 
Office and Copilot are a nightmare for transparency and data mining. An interesting PDF (it's in English):


Like in my original post, I had an utterly horrible time of things installing Windows this time around (it's never a nice install, but this was particularly horrible).

I'm getting real tired of Copilot everywhere. Go to office.com, you get copilot with the actual Office apps hidden. Open Word and it's there like f**king Clippy in your face. Hey dickheads, if I want Copilot, I'll click it.
 
courtesy of gemini. One shouldn't have to do this, but it's not hard to do.

Getting rid of Copilot can feel like a game of digital whack-a-mole, but you can effectively disable it or hide it from your workspace. Depending on whether you want to just clear the clutter or "unplug" the AI entirely, here are your best options.

1. The Direct "Off" Switch (Fastest)​

Recent updates to Microsoft 365 (Office) added a specific setting to disable Copilot within each app. Note that you have to do this for each app separately (Word, Excel, etc.).




  • On Windows: Go to File > Options > Copilot and uncheck Enable Copilot.



  • On Mac: Go to the app menu (e.g., Word) > Preferences > Authoring and Proofing Tools > Copilot and uncheck Enable Copilot.



  • Restart the app for the change to take effect.



2.​

If you don't see the specific "Copilot" menu mentioned above, you can disable the "Connected Experiences" that power it. This usually removes Copilot from all Office apps at once.




  1. In Word (or any Office app), go to File > Account (or Office Account).



  2. Under Account Privacy, select Manage Settings.
  3. Scroll down to Connected experiences.
  4. Uncheck Turn on experiences that analyze your content.
  5. Click OK and restart your apps.

    Note: This will also disable other AI-driven features like "Editor" suggestions and automatic alt-text for images.
 
courtesy of gemini. One shouldn't have to do this, but it's not hard to do.
it shouldn't be turned on by default. I just tried to turn off MS Office's stored user data that's embedded in your office documents. Despite being able to, the option is greyed out, no matter what I did to troubleshoot the problem. Gave up after 30 minutes of troubleshooting.

Maintaining user privacy should be easy and not either complicated or impossible. That is a company that doesn't care about your rights.
 
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