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There has been a perennial question as to whether a photographer is considered talented, or more accurately a success, if their work is not seen, recognized and critiqued during their lifetime. In much like the question as to whether a photograph is really complete unless it is printed (and that's not the focus here), the issue of debate has been that if one takes photograph, if no-one apart from the photographer sees their work, are they 'successful' as a photographer?

Even more intriguing, why would someone take images and not even process the film? Would it be just a matter of economics, or was the imperative the actual act of capturing the image? Garry Winogrand, while famous and successful, left behind, unpublished, 300,000 images and more than 2,500 undeveloped rolls of film, so there is some argument for that...

This question has taken on more significance since the discovery of the works of Vivian Maier, who was a prolific photographer throughout her adult life, but who made very little attempt to share the images she took with the world. Yet, since her death, and her images have been brought to the world by others, she and her work have been the focus of great discussion and debate. While some have said that her material should be left unpublished and accused those who have done so of disrespecting her and ruthlessly leveraging her work for personal gain, the counter-argument has been that her images are of significance as Art and expressions of the zeitgeist in which they were taken.

I first encountered Maier back in 2015 when I saw the film 'Finding Vivian Maier', by John Maloof and Charlie Siskel on how they, and others, found her photographic materials when bidding for the contents of disused storage lockers. She had not kept up the payments and they were auctioned off. The film was to achieve critical acclaim, including nomination for an Academy Award.

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Vivian Maier, self portrait

These men and others often bid blind on contents that might hold interest or return, and each had found significant numbers (hundreds of thousands) of materials in the form of prints , negatives and even unprocessed film in boxes and trunks, along with cameras and a range of disparate bric-a-brac and personal items - including uncashed government cheques and vast numbers of newspapers. Maloof was looking for images of Chicago for a book he was working on, so he bid and won on a box of her stuff. While likely some ditched the images if they were not into photography, intrigued by the quality of the images they saw, these two and a few others started to explore their finds, and consolidate them - by buying up the unwanted items that other bidders had won.

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The film, and follow-up books, chart the evolution and consolidation of these huge caches of material and the process of turning them into displays, publications and prints to share with the world. That attracted a lot of controversy as some considered the publication of her works as a violation of her personal life for profit, whereas the counter argument went that her work was of great artistic and social value and deserved to be recognized and shared as such.

Part of the controversy lay with the fact that Maier was (unknown to them) still alive at the time this began, but died within weeks of the initial purchases. It was necessary to track down any relatives who might have rights over the materials, a process hugely complicated by her family's incredible disfunction and chequered relationships, with many name changes and shifts of country.

Eventually, Maloof became the principle driver, and shared a few images on line to the delight and immediate praise of those who saw them. It was clear there was merit in her work, but getting the enormous reservoir of material processed, printed and presented was outside the ability of one or two people. Maloof took some images to galleries and museums, but was turned away as she had no status. So, he mounted his own exhibitions, starting in Chicago where it turned out to be of incredible interest and acclaim from the public. This encouraged him to process and share more material and it continued to yield enormous quantities of consistently high-quality images of life, predominantly from the 1960's to the 1980's.

Almost as intriguing was the mystery behind the woman. Who was she? What did she do? Why were these images not presented and recognized at the time? As investigations progressed, the story of a complex and flawed personality, a dysfunctional and complicated family life, and a career as a nanny gave a whole new dimension and level of intrigue to the story.
More recently, her work has been applauded by recognized photographers, critics, museums and galleries, and that has very recently culminated in her being inducted posthumously into the International Photography Hall of Fame and Museum.

Yet, simmering behind the scenes, continues the debate as to whether she would have been happy with this exposure and fame, and legal issues as to who has an interest in the estate have consumed researchers, lawyers and courts until recently. Meanwhile social commentators and academics have debated the ethics of publishing her work at all.

Her work is, to me, outstanding for its sheer volume and its consistency - she averaged over a roll of film per day through over three decades and had an amazing hit rate of great negatives.
Starting with a Kodak Box Camera, progressing up to a Rolleiflex camera, and later 35mm format as well, she produced still images in negative and transparency formats, in black and white, and colour, and in different negative formats - but predominantly square. She also produced 8 and 16mm videos.

She appears to have rarely cropped her images and they rarely would have needed to be as their composition was consistently bang-on for exposure, and even getting horizontals and verticals right within the bounds of the lenses and subjects she shot. She had a great nose for a subject: when to capture it, and from what angle. For someone shooting predominantly street images, with manual exposure and focus, this was significant.

Personally, she was a complex and secretive person. Working as a nanny, in the US - partly NY but predominantly Chicago - she took her camera everywhere, often dragging the children she minded along to situations and places that would have raised more than a few eyebrow from parents or social agencies. She was intensely private about her personal life, but not afraid to engage with others to explore their situations or to get opinions on current events. Her subjects echo a range of genres from families to flops via macabre trash, or somehow getting to shoot film stars up close on set. She was not afraid to push to get her shots, yet she left thousands of rolls of film unprocessed and many more unprinted.

With my own interest in the history of photography, I have been exploring this unique and complex person through the films and books charting her life, and this Christmas will invest in the most comprehensive publication of her work: Vivian Maier: A Photographer Found, by John Maloof.

I hope that one day an exhibition of her work will make it to NZ so I can see more of these images. She shot in a genre that I have not engaged with in any great depth, but can certainly appreciate, and I am hugely impressed by the breadth and depth of her work.

Would she be comfortable with all this exposure? Opinions from those who knew her vary to a degree, but the consensus is that she might have been pleased to see the recognition of her work, but not of the exposure of herself personally. As she grew older, she became more reclusive and harder to engage with, yet some of the children she had minded, and who loved her - now grown, helped to support her until her death in 2009. While she died in diminished circumstances, alone and in a depressed state; posthumously, she has achieved major recognition and risen to great heights in the world of artistical photography. That is one heck of a legacy...

For any student of photography, but particularly those inclined to street, portraiture or genre images, her work is a worthy source of study. As the great (and now late) photographer Elliott Erwitt said "No amount of skill compensates for the ability to observe", and she combines that and a technical mastery of her cameras.

To see a show of her images see:
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The Unseen Vivian Maier video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWiPxGuA8Xo
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[Originally posted on 13 December 2023]
 
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I just came across this video (which sadly has terrible audio) of a talk Ann Marks in association with John Maloof at the Howard Greenberg Gallery, on her book "Vivian Maier Developed", published in 2023, about her investigative book on the history and work of Vivian Maier.

She appears to have a much more positive relationship with Maloof and Greenberg than another author, Pamela Bannos, who is a Professor of Instruction, Faculty Senator, an artist and researcher at Midwestern University who wrote a book on Maier in 2017..

The write-up from her institution goes as follows:
"Bannos wrote the critically acclaimed Vivian Maier: A Photographer’s Life and Afterlife, a book that stemmed from her research-based art practice. The book presents a counter-narrative to the popular depiction of mid-twentieth-century American photographer, Vivian Maier as the “mysterious nanny photographer,” de-mythologizing Maier by presenting her life through her own photographs, and demonstrating how she became an international sensation in the age of social media."

The theme of her work seems quite hostile to the idea of Maier being exposed to the examination of the world and seems to see the two instigators as being predatory. To be fair, her book was written at a time where there was considerable legal wrangling going on as regards ownership of the copyright of Maier's work and that has all been settled amicably by the various parties.

That said, as an academic and artist gives a valuable perspective on the quality of her work.
 
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There has been a perennial question as to whether a photographer is considered success, or more accurately talented, if their work is not seen, recognized and critiqued during their lifetime. In much like the question as to whether a photograph is really complete unless it is printed (and that's not the focus here), the issue of debate has been that if one takes photograph, if no-one apart from the photographer sees their work, are they 'successful' as a photographer?

Even more intriguing, why would someone take images and not even process the film? Would it be just a matter of economics, or was the imperative the actual act of capturing the image? Garry Winogrand, while famous and successful, left behind, unpublished, 300,000 images and more than 2,500 undeveloped rolls of film.

This question has taken on more significance since the discovery of the works of Vivian Maier, who was a prolific photographer throughout her adult life, but who made very little attempt to share the images she took with the world. Yet, since her death, and her images have been brought to the world by others, she and her work have been the focus of great discussion and debate. While some have said that her material should be left unpublished and accused those who have done so of disrespecting her and ruthlessly leveraging her work for personal gain, the counter-argument has been that her images are of significance as Art and expressions of the zeitgeist in which they were taken.

I first encountered Maier back in 2015 when I saw the film 'Finding Vivian Maier', by John Maloof and Charlie Siskel on how they, and others, found her photographic materials when bidding for the contents of disused storage lockers. She had not kept up the payments and they were auctioned off. The film was to achieve critical acclaim, including nomination for an Academy Award.

These men and others often bid blind on contents that might hold interest or return, and each had found significant numbers (hundreds of thousands) of materials in the form of prints , negatives and even unprocessed film in boxes and trunks, along with cameras and a range of disparate bric-a-brac and personal items - including uncashed government cheques and vast numbers of newspapers. Maloof was looking for images of Chicago for a book he was working on, so he bid and won on a box of her stuff. While likely some ditched the images if they were not into photography, intrigued by the quality of the images they saw, these two and a few others started to explore their finds, and consolidate them - by buying up the unwanted items that other bidders had won.
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The film, and follow-up books, chart the evolution and consolidation of these huge caches of material and the process of turning them into displays, publications and prints to share with the world. That attracted a lot of controversy as some considered the publication of her works as a violation of her personal life for profit, whereas the counter argument went that her work was of great artistic and social value and deserved to be recognized and shared as such.

Part of the controversy lay with the fact that Maier was (unknown to them) still alive at the time this began, but died within weeks of the initial purchases. It was necessary to track down any relatives who might have rights over the materials, a process hugely complicated by her family's incredible disfunction and chequered relationships, with many name changes and shifts of country.

Eventually, Maloof became the principle driver, and shared a few images on line to the delight and immediate praise of those who saw them. It was clear there was merit in her work, but getting the enormous reservoir of material processed, printed and presented was outside the ability of one or two people. Maloof took some images to galleries and museums, but was turned away as she had no status. So, he mounted his own exhibitions, starting in Chicago where it turned out to be of incredible interest and acclaim from the public. This encouraged him to process and share more material and it continued to yield enormous quantities of consistently high-quality images of life, predominantly from the 1950's to the 1970's.

Almost as intriguing was the mystery behind the woman. Who was she? What did she do? Why were these images not presented and recognized at the time? As investigations progressed, the story of a complex and flawed personality, a dysfunctional and complicated family life, and a career as a nanny gave a whole new dimension and level of intrigue to the story.
More recently, her work has been applauded by recognized photographers, critics, museums and galleries, and that has very recently culminated in her being inducted posthumously into the International Photography Hall of Fame and Museum.
https://iphf.org/inductees/vivian_maier/

Yet, simmering behind the scenes, continues the debate as to whether she would have been happy with this exposure and fame, and legal issues as to who has an interest in the estate have consumed researchers, lawyers and courts until recently. Meanwhile social commentators and academics have debated the ethics of publishing her work at all.

Her work is, to me, outstanding for its sheer volume and its consistency - she averaged over a roll of film per day through over three decades and had an amazing hit rate of great negatives.
Starting with a Kodak Box Camera, progressing up to a Rolleiflex camera, and later 35mm format as well, she produced still images in negative and transparency formats, in black and white, and colour, and in different negative formats - but predominantly square. She also produced 8 and 16mm videos.

She appears to have rarely cropped her images and they rarely would have needed to be as their composition was consistently bang-on for exposure, and even getting horizontals and verticals right within the bounds of the lenses and subjects she shot. She had a great nose for a subject: when to capture it, and from what angle. For someone shooting predominantly street images, with manual exposure and focus, this was significant.

Personally, she was a complex and secretive person. Working as a nanny, in the US - partly NY but predominantly Chicago - she took her camera everywhere, often dragging the children she minded along to situations and places that would have raised more than a few eyebrow from parents or social agencies. She was intensely private about her personal life, but not afraid to engage with others to explore their situations or to get opinions on current events. Her subjects echo a range of genres from families to flops via macabre trash, or somehow getting to shoot film stars up close on set. She was not afraid to push to get her shots, yet she left thousands of rolls of film unprocessed and many more unprinted.

With my own interest in the history of photography, I have been exploring this unique and complex person through the films and books charting her life, and this Christmas will invest in the most comprehensive publication of her work: Vivian Maier: A Photographer Found, by John Maloof.

I hope that one day an exhibition of her work will make it to NZ so I can see more of these images. She shot in a genre that I have not engaged with in any great depth, but can certainly appreciate, and I am hugely impressed by the breadth and depth of her work.

Would she be comfortable with all this exposure? Opinions from those who knew her vary to a degree, but the consensus is that she might have been pleased to see the recognition of her work, but not of the exposure of herself personally. As she grew older, she became more reclusive and harder to engage with, yet some of the children she had minded, and who loved her - now grown, helped to support her until her death in 2009. While she died in diminished circumstances, alone and in a depressed state; posthumously, she has achieved major recognition and risen to great heights in the world of artistical photography. That is one heck of a legacy...

For any student of photography, but particularly those inclined to street, portraiture or genre images, her work is a worthy source of study. As the great (and now late) photographer Elliott Erwitt said "No amount of skill compensates for the ability to observe", and she combines that and a technical mastery of her cameras.

To see a show of her images see:
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Finding Vivian Maier Official US Theatrical Trailer #1 (2013) - Photography Documentary HD
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TLDR my answer is success is relative. If you feel successful, you are.
 
Not cashing the cheques is, I think more of an example of her reclusiveness. These cheques date back decades to when she was quite young, and she just hid them away. So, I personally go for her not wanting anything to do with authorities... All we can do is speculate.
Not cashing checks is only a sign of money not being the priority. Back when I was broke doing weddings I still had checks uncashed because my brain was on the art and not the business.
 
Not cashing checks is only a sign of money not being the priority. Back when I was broke doing weddings I still had checks uncashed because my brain was on the art and not the business.
According to the researchers I engaged with the non-cashing of cheque was a straw as part of the haystack.

While you may not have exercised great business practice in cashing your payments - which from a professional point of view is not a plus, Maier consistently refused to give her name, used different variations of her name, or even different names, and would not give addresses and contact details to shops and labs processing her images. When asked what she did, she would often be evasive.

I would doubt that your expressed fixation on art would not extend to those behaviours. Given her background (if you have not read the two books I quoted, I would encourage you to do so), where her family frequently changed their identities, which is what made her genealogy so hard to trace.
 
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I guess I had a thought to photograph the movie ticket stubs. Found this in my archives. From 2014.

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I saw a couple of her exhibits years ago here in Chicago. What I think would have been interesting is what she would have chosen to show and what she wouldn't have shown. In an exhibit or a book sometimes what you leave out is as important and what is shown. Many artists don't reap the rewards of a lifetime of creative work.
 
I saw a couple of her exhibits years ago here in Chicago. What I think would have been interesting is what she would have chosen to show and what she wouldn't have shown. In an exhibit or a book sometimes what you leave out is as important and what is shown. Many artists don't reap the rewards of a lifetime of creative work.

It would be except that Vivian would have chosen absolutely nothing to show to anyone. She was quiet about her hobby and almost no one ever knew she was going out taking photos until after her passing. Probably only those regularly developing her rolls of film knew she was as prolific as it turns out she seemed to be. Also, not all her developed film and prints were recovered, so whatever collection that could ever be assembled will, unfortunately, never be complete.
 
And there is the rub. I would never want anyone else to edit what images of mine are to be shown. And that was even more true of her.

It was hard then to get exhibits (harder now) and even harder for a woman then. Who knows if she would have exhibited if she was given a real opportunity. We'll never know.
 
after haphazardly looking for the last year, to find the documentary, only finding just the trailer (which i never watched) i found it on Paramount+ which we have a subscription.

i just got done watching it an hour ago and it was sad, enlightening, captivating, and intriguing.

i think her work is great. the sort of stuff that ive loved doing. the exposures (unless compensated for during printing) looked to be perfect. the composition was spot on (in MY mind). i would love to be in a place where i could encounter life and happenings as interesting as what she found.

as someone mentioned that the prints were smaller than expected when seen in the exhibit. ive seen where that happens sometimes because they want to print more images so the smaller image is cheaper or they want more images and have only X amount of space. i went to an Avedon exhibit once and i dont think there were any images larger than 8x10-ish in size...
 
as someone mentioned that the prints were smaller than expected when seen in the exhibit. ive seen where that happens sometimes because they want to print more images so the smaller image is cheaper or they want more images and have only X amount of space. i went to an Avedon exhibit once and i dont think there were any images larger than 8x10-ish in size...

I remember the small print sizes in the two exhibits I attended were both surprising in their small sizes and also a bother, as many people were trying to view them simultaneously. I don't agree with the assertion that the prints were small to be economic. When exhibits such as these come up, I don't believe the cost of prints are a consideration at all. The print sizes were a conscious choice. As I recall, while the total space was not huge, they easily could have accommodated larger prints there. There might be a museum-oriented psychology involved which invites participants to gawk closer to become more involved in the work. That last sentence is only an opinion of mine.

Having been to the larger museums with far more well-known works of art, I have experienced the fact that many master works are often very much smaller than I thought they would have been.
 
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An interesting read I admit I've never heard of the name prior. It raises some real questions about the true measure of artistic success. Without knowing Maier's intentions or her personal benchmarks, any external judgment of her work feels incomplete and perhaps misplaced. This situation is a perfect example of the complex relationship between an artist's personal goals and public recognition, and defining overall "success".

On a side note: I like the "Articles" idea. I mentioned something similar when the new forum was just an idea prior to launching. We should find a way to promote short articles outside of the forum. Short excerpts or attention-grabbing titles that would encourage a click and redirect to our forum where the full article can be read. Might even be worth considering requiring registration to read the article in it's entirety, Would be a great way to drive more traffic/new members. I can see the gear reviews, editorials on recent releases, and even some tutorials being very popular with the general photography community.
 
An interesting read I admit I've never heard of the name prior. It raises some real questions about the true measure of artistic success. Without knowing Maier's intentions or her personal benchmarks, any external judgment of her work feels incomplete and perhaps misplaced. This situation is a perfect example of the complex relationship between an artist's personal goals and public recognition, and defining overall "success".

On a side note: I like the "Articles" idea. I mentioned something similar when the new forum was just an idea prior to launching. We should find a way to promote short articles outside of the forum. Short excerpts or attention-grabbing titles that would encourage a click and redirect to our forum where the full article can be read. Might even be worth considering requiring registration to read the article in it's entirety, Would be a great way to drive more traffic/new members. I can see the gear reviews, editorials on recent releases, and even some tutorials being very popular with the general photography community.
If nothing else, this sage leaves us with a lot of unanswered questions and certainly even academic opinion is very diverse on her intentions and the morality of revealing her work. From those who actually knew her, the consensus is that she would likely have appreciated the recognition of her work, something that has some support, given her correspondence with a photo shop in that small village in France, to produce postcards with the promise of many images to publish. However, there is some consensus amongst her contemporary that she would have been totally uncomfortable with revealing anything about her personally.

This is not only the story of a woman who had mastery over the compositional and technical control of her images, but showed determination to get them, but it is as much a poignant story of human vulnerability and frailty, and that makes it all he more gripping.
 
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It would be except that Vivian would have chosen absolutely nothing to show to anyone. She was quiet about her hobby and almost no one ever knew she was going out taking photos until after her passing. Probably only those regularly developing her rolls of film knew she was as prolific as it turns out she seemed to be. Also, not all her developed film and prints were recovered, so whatever collection that could ever be assembled will, unfortunately, never be complete.
She was apparently absolutely demanding of those labs that processed and printed her images. Interestingly, correspondence was found between her and the photo lab in the French town she spent part of her youth with. Apparently, she liked the quality of this lab's work in producing post cards and offered a deal to sent the owner photographs to publish, with the promise of considerable volumes of material. In the film, the owner saw a copy of the correspondence and agreed to its authenticity. So, that adds another variable to the whole perplexing situation. Given time, the resources to do so, but arguably the mental stability to do so, she might have actually have taken on a commercial role. But her condition overcame her and she rather collapsed into herself and became increasingly eccentric, finally giving up photography and eventually leaving her storage lockers vulnerable to being sold off to pay storage bills..
 
Might even be worth considering requiring registration to read the article in it's entirety,
We thought about it but people signing up to read an article don’t necessarily become active users; they just want to read an article. It’s far more likely it will drive people away instead. When I have to register on a site to read something I’m gone. Maybe it’s the other way around: when people can read the full article they might register in order to post a reply.
 
There is a recent panel discussion by Fotografiska, an organization dedicated to quality photography on the discovery of Vivian Maier and a review of her work:
"On opening night of “Vivian Maier: Unseen Work,” our retrospective exhibition exploring the late artist’s uncovered photography, we were joined by John Maloof, the first person to bring Maier’s work into the public eye; Anne Morin, Director of diChroma photography; and renowned gallery owner Howard Greenberg, moderated by the distinguished street photographer, Matt Stuart, to explore the enduring legacy of Maier"
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