Camera shopping in 2024 is... Distressing

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Been considering a new light tight computer controlled box in which to capture and store interesting collective photons from a confined area. It's been hair pulling to say the least and all the while analysis paralysis sets in, trying to find relative information for what I'm looking for in said light tight box, everything is pretty much a spec sheet read off and or an ad (in 8k 240fps!) or just turned into a video camera (mostly interested in stills here) pushed by yet other computers. Ugh...


Anyone else experiencing this? Probably don't help I've actually been looking at other systems either and the thing of it is, they all do pretty much the same thing, but "mirror less is the future" (and prices are as well... Could stay with DSLR but does kind of push prices even more should one upgrade again later on when these products of the future are all there is and being serviced. Ack!

(Not sure why this made me select a prefix of question when it's not? Wouldn't post otherwise?)
 
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The answer to this question depends on what you photograph. The pros and cons of DSLR vs. mirrorless have been discussed at length in other threads but also depends to some degree on what you photograph.

If you describe what kind of photography you did (you have one bit: mostly interested in stills), what options you are considering if any so far, and how much you want to pay, maybe people can offer useful advice. All I can say at this point is that the cameras available now are superb, far better than those of 10 or 15 years ago, so there are lots of very good options.
 
Oh definitely wasn't trying to turn this into a DSLR vs mirror less thing. I have been drifting over to wildlife and bird photography in addition to my standard landscape ish stuff. Kind of a jack of all trades snapshot type deal I guess which complicates things a little bit I guess.
 
It's pretty hard to buy a bad camera these days. If you have a specific need -- say best FPS or highest resolution or best low-light processing -- then look for that in your research. But if you're just looking for good general-purpose box, you probably won't be disappointed with your decision, whatever it ends up being.

If I was changing manufacturers now, I'd probably look at something as mundane as battery life. As long as there's battery, everything else looks pretty similar.

I outfit my hobbies with used gear. When I got into digital, I picked Canon because there was more used Canon inventory than any other brand. I had no deeper rationale than that. Worked out just fine. I still use Canon and I believe familiarity is more important than features. A camera that you know how to use well, without having to think about it too much, is the best camera.
 
A recent thread by a veteran dSLR user who adopted mirrorless shows that some specific types of subjects need adopting new techniques or kinds of camera settings in order to get more satisfactory results.
You might want to RENT a mirrorless camera of recent vintage, to try it out and become familiarized with new idiosyncracies, before buying. The insight could guide your purchase better.
 
I'll probably always be a staunch supporter of the lightly-used technology,
which is likely why I acquired a 5D Mark IV. It's everything I wanted and then more,
while I won't ever likely use it's amazing autofocus and ISO performance, as
I simply don't shoot like that.

But the image-quality advancements from the 400D/40D/50D path I followed were far more
than enough for me to realize that I'd made the right choice.

Wilt makes a good argument in the try-before-you-buy scenario, and I'd recommend the same.
I do love my 5D Mark IV, while your own desires may warrant something else.
If not, grab a 5D4 on the cheap, and go nuts with it.
It's one of the best cameras Canon ever offered outside of their 1D-series before mirrorless,
and it takes adapted vintage lenses very inexpensively(as do all EOS cameras).
 
I need to find that thread @Wilt mentioned, think it might be a good look :)

Actually got a 5dmkiv (unfortunately wasn't cheap especially since I got it to take the place of my EOS R...) So I think in some aspects that 5D4 kind of paints me I to a corner somewhat (not in a bad way, just upgrade wise). My main sticking point however and thoughts on trying a different system is the RF lens line up. It just doesn't interest me. Initially I started off interested but now as the RF line continues, I'm scratching my head more...

My EF lenses are starting to show their age also, but there is some nice glass to be found I'm sure, especially for the same entry point as a new system... But the EF glass might no longer be supported by Canon. 6 of one, half a dozen of the other? Same points with a new system.

I've priced out a couple kits and all things being equal, they pan out to be about the same. At least for some of the higher shelf (not totally top shelf) stuff.
 
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Upgrading the body is really a separate thing from switching to RF glass. I switched to ML bodies and it's incredible, but I have little drive to switch glass. A year or so ago I thought that I would make all new lens purchases RF but that idea was broken pretty quickly by some fantastic EF deals. Not all RF glass is fantastic.
 
I need to find that thread @Wilt mentioned, think it might be a good look :)

 
I'll probably always be a staunch supporter of the lightly-used technology,
which is likely why I acquired a 5D Mark IV. It's everything I wanted and then more,
while I won't ever likely use it's amazing autofocus and ISO performance, as
I simply don't shoot like that.

But the image-quality advancements from the 400D/40D/50D path I followed were far more
than enough for me to realize that I'd made the right choice.

Wilt makes a good argument in the try-before-you-buy scenario, and I'd recommend the same.
I do love my 5D Mark IV, while your own desires may warrant something else.
If not, grab a 5D4 on the cheap, and go nuts with it.
It's one of the best cameras Canon ever offered outside of their 1D-series before mirrorless,
and it takes adapted vintage lenses very inexpensively(as do all EOS cameras).
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I will also vouch for the Canon 5D4 being a good value. I got a used one for $1,500 in 2020. I would think that prices would have come down quite a bit over the 4 years since then, so it would be reasonable to expect to be able to find one for under $1,000 nowadays.

The 5D4 is adequate for about 40% of the photography I do, and falls short the other 60% of the time. But I shoot in a way in which I really want and need the camera to do the focusing for me in dynamic scenarios with much subject movement. My friends all use the more advanced mirrorless bodies and the subject eye detect autofocus runs circles around my 5D4's autofocus, and they come away with a gazillion times more keepers than I do. But if you are shooting things that are somewhat cooperative, or that are even still, and you have a second or three to focus and compose and do not have to rush your shots, then the 5D4 will do a super job for you.

Overall I think that camera shopping in 2024 is great, because you have so much to choose from. You have everything that was available in 2010 and 2015 and 2020 far cheaper than it was back then when it was released, but you also have the new more advanced mirrorless bodies. Lots of choices is a good thing, not a bad thing. The only time that so many choices can be confusing is if you haven't put the required research in. Spend an hour a day for a month watching YouTube videos about cameras, and at the end of the month you will not be confused anymore, because knowledge will displace the confusion. The confusion comes after the shopping, when you actually try to use one of the mirrorless cameras, and find out that you can't do anything without first reading manuals, watching tutorials, scrolling thru menus, etc.
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...But if you are shooting things that are somewhat cooperative, or that are even still, and you have a second or three to focus and compose and do not have to rush your shots, then the 5D4 will do a super job for you...
Yeah, that's almost the entirety of my shooting style, so it's a perfect camera for me.
I'm sure I'd be jonesing for the new gear if I were shooting your subjects and/or other action-type stuff,
but I simply don't roll that way in my interests.
 
I switched from a 5D IV to an R6 II. IMHO, the 5D IV is a superb camera, and for many purposes, it's every bit as good as the R6 II. For some of what I shoot, the R6 II offers some advantages, but for some other people, those features wouldn't be particularly useful. That's why I always start these discussions by asking people what they shoot..
 
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I will also vouch for the Canon 5D4 being a good value. I got a used one for $1,500 in 2020. I would think that prices would have come down quite a bit over the 4 years since then, so it would be reasonable to expect to be able to find one for under $1,000 nowadays.

The 5D4 is adequate for about 40% of the photography I do, and falls short the other 60% of the time. But I shoot in a way in which I really want and need the camera to do the focusing for me in dynamic scenarios with much subject movement. My friends all use the more advanced mirrorless bodies and the subject eye detect autofocus runs circles around my 5D4's autofocus, and they come away with a gazillion times more keepers than I do. But if you are shooting things that are somewhat cooperative, or that are even still, and you have a second or three to focus and compose and do not have to rush your shots, then the 5D4 will do a super job for you.

Overall I think that camera shopping in 2024 is great, because you have so much to choose from. You have everything that was available in 2010 and 2015 and 2020 far cheaper than it was back then when it was released, but you also have the new more advanced mirrorless bodies. Lots of choices is a good thing, not a bad thing. The only time that so many choices can be confusing is if you haven't put the required research in. Spend an hour a day for a month watching YouTube videos about cameras, and at the end of the month you will not be confused anymore, because knowledge will displace the confusion. The confusion comes after the shopping, when you actually try to use one of the mirrorless cameras, and find out that you can't do anything without first reading manuals, watching tutorials, scrolling thru menus, etc.
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Unfortunately Tom in our area of Southeast PA, we don’t have the local shops like we used to, which I supported with sales, to wet our appetite with tangible products as we could always stop by wherever we may be that day. Only one left in Levittown, which fortunately is top notch albeit a 50 minute drive from my location in Delco.
Also PhotoPlus Expo was eliminated at the Javitz, as they tried to “Create” a different event “Create NYC” in Brooklyn that made accessibility more difficult and basically put in their flier looking for a younger crowd. A kick in my teeth and others that supported the show for years, the Create Live event never took place as the Big Vendors were told it would not be held.
So be it.
 
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What I attempt to photograph? (Got samples all over this forum lol :panic:

Been trying a little bit of everything lately to see what sticks but mostly landscape / macro close-up stuff and tried some bird and wildlife, but I'm really quality light and lens challenged on the birding stuff but have had a tiny bit of success.

The bird stuff is what's making me look at Nikon z glass...

But haven't decided much and after last outing with the 5d4 and siggy 150-600c my shoulder is feeling it (also a lot of this is from work).
 
Unfortunately Tom in our area of Southeast PA, we don’t have the local shops like we used to, which I supported with sales, to wet our appetite with tangible products as we could always stop by wherever we may be that day. Only one left in Levittown, which fortunately is top notch albeit a 50 minute drive from my location in Delco.
Also PhotoPlus Expo was eliminated at the Javitz, as they tried to “Create” a different event “Create NYC” in Brooklyn that made accessibility more difficult and basically put in their flier looking for a younger crowd. A kick in my teeth and others that supported the show for years, the Create Live event never took place as the Big Vendors were told it would not be held.
So be it.
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There's also New York Camera and Video right here in Southampton, about a mile from my parent's place. That's actually much bigger than Allen's Camera in Levittown, which you mentioned.
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Been trying a little bit of everything lately to see what sticks but mostly landscape / macro close-up stuff and tried some bird and wildlife, but I'm really quality light and lens challenged on the birding stuff but have had a tiny bit of success.
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What part of Colorado are you based in? I'll be in the Aurora / Denver area for almost all of November photographing deer. Maybe we could meet up?

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What part of Colorado are you based in? I'll be in the Aurora / Denver area for almost all of November photographing deer. Maybe we could meet up?

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You ever go to the rocky mountain arsenal wildlife refuge in commerce city?
 
You ever go to the rocky mountain arsenal wildlife refuge in commerce city?
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Yes! . That is where I will be almost every day during the month of November - can't wait!

There's another guy on this forum who lives around there, and we've met up a couple times over the past couple years. . Send me a message if you're interested in shooting together some morning or evening, or even just grabbing a burger or tacos or coffee when the light gets bad at midday.

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What I attempt to photograph? (Got samples all over this forum lol :panic:

Been trying a little bit of everything lately to see what sticks but mostly landscape / macro close-up stuff and tried some bird and wildlife, but I'm really quality light and lens challenged on the birding stuff but have had a tiny bit of success.

The bird stuff is what's making me look at Nikon z glass...

But haven't decided much and after last outing with the 5d4 and siggy 150-600c my shoulder is feeling it (also a lot of this is from work).
I'm a bird photographer primarily, and I happen to shoot Nikon :sneaky: Ask me anything!

If you're after weight reduction, and want to dip a toe into ML + birding, it may be worth looking at the Canon R7 + 100-400 f/5.6-8. Very affordable, very lightweight, and from what I've seen/read is a stunning performer. Check out Duade Patton on YouTube, he's a Canon bird photographer, and has some thorough reviews of this setup.

If you want FF and have a bit more budget, it'd be tough not to recommend the R5 + 100-500. The R52 has dropped the prices on the previous model, which is an amazing camera (I have one, but have never birded with it though). The 100-500 is extremely light weight (~3-some lbs), excellently sharp, but has a few niggles that some don't like to deal with (use with TCs is a bit of a... challenge).

You can always adapt EF lenses too, as there's a plethora of outstanding glass available at bargain prices on the used market that more than holds up compared to the new fangled RF glass. The only thing you'll be missing out on is assignable buttons and control ring, but whatever, you don't need that stuff to get money photos (and there's an EF-RF adapter with a control ring, if you so choose!). Someday, I may splurge on an EF 600 f/4 II to adapt onto this R5 we have.

If you are looking at Nikon, well, you'll have the very best super-tele lens options available at the moment to fit most any budget, but the main attraction is the mid-range glass that seems to be aimed squarely at wildlife/bird photographers. It's what keeps me in their camp at the present. There's also rebates going which have knocked prices down quite a bit.

The differences b/w the brands, at this point, is small, but in my opinion (again, as a bird photographer):

Canon: they have the tech, they have the pedigree, but they're frustratingly slow to bring stuff to market. They march at the beat of their own drum, often making head-scratching decisions. Their lens choices are amazing, but you either get basement bargain entry level stuff, or the top-tier profe$$ional glass, and hardly anything in between, the 100-500 being the exception, but as mentioned above, it has some nuances that many people don't like. Personally... I'm waiting for them to bring out a new lightweight RF 400 f/4 DO or a competitor to the Nikon 600PF, and I'd be heavily swayed to come back into the Canon fold.

Sony: arguably the best in terms of AF and sensor tech. Similar to Canon, their lens offerings are solid, but aside from the 200-600 you're going to be paying a LOT for anything super-tele. A lot of photographers don't like the ergonomics, though their cameras are getting better with each new release. I've never shot Sony, so can't say much more than that.

Nikon: the best lens offerings at the moment that seemed to be aimed squarely at the mid-market ($2000-$5000 range) bird/wildlife photographers, but also have the BEST upper market 400 and 600 lenses available thanks to the built in TCs. Same as Canon, they also have a huge catalog of great DSLR-era glass that can be adapted, AND you can adapt Sony lenses as well :D Their AF is great, but many consider it not quite as good as Sony/Canon in certain fringe circumstances because it requires a bit more work on the part of the photographer to get the best out of it. Nikon has regularly released updated FW that has vastly improved the AF performance, bringing it almost in line with the others.
 
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